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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:16:00 -
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No legitimate gameplay action is "griefing". Wardecs among them.
You should also know that the way they found you is called a "locator agent", something to look up on. Anyone who cares to use one can find you guys, and believe me, it will keep happening now that you've shown that you give up kills. At this point you can either fight back to try and earn some respect, move to lowsec or a wormhole to get away from them, hire mercs for help, or just drop to an NPC corp.
Another tip? Your corp name is absolutely begging to be wardecced. Lots of people don't like miners, and what's more when they see the word "miner" in your corp name they know that you likely won't defend yourselves in any real way. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:02:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote: Firstly, If you cannot defend yourself, you do not deserve to be alive in the first place. Pretty much my own personal philosophy in EVE.
how does a few week old player defend themself against a 50+mil sp player?
Personally, I'm a big fan of the Griffin. Doesn't matter how many skillpoints you have, you can't fight if you're jammed. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9179
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:11:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote: Firstly, If you cannot defend yourself, you do not deserve to be alive in the first place. Pretty much my own personal philosophy in EVE.
how does a few week old player defend themself against a 50+mil sp player? Personally, I'm a big fan of the Griffin. Doesn't matter how many skillpoints you have, you can't fight if you're jammed. yeah and by the time the week old player has locked you to jam you then he's already been alpha'd off the field by your insta-locking nado or proteus, great achievement
Who uses a tornado in a wardec? Furthermore, how can a tornado even hit a griffin with an AB on orbiting the fleet anchor? Transversal alone should make it miss.
Have you even done this before? I mean, I am seriously out of practice, by nearly a year, but even I know better than that. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:12:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Personally, I'm a big fan of the Griffin.
What's Ralph got to do with this??
Dammit. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9181
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:18:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote: who cares what ship it is bottom line is young players dont have the skill or knowledge to even consider situations like this.
Who cares what ship it is?
That was half my point, you don't even know how a wardeccer fights, how would you know what is or is not a viable tactic for low SP players?
The question was posed how they are supposed to fight back. I answered it, and it was a damned good answer what's more.
Don't come in here and nitpick me, then tell me that the semantics aren't up for discussion. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9183
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:29:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote: please enlighten us on how a nado cant be used for sitting on undocks popping frigs before they have a chance to breath?
You... you do know how signature radius works on guns, right? Even a general idea?
Quote: and let us know what ships and fits you use for wardeccing rookie corps
Oh, that's easy. Most of the strong armor ships will do. For lower skillpoints, the Ishkur provides an excellent amount of tank, dps, and can speed tank almost any battleship guns.
For a bit higher up there in budget and skillpoints, many prefer the Legion, but my personal favorite is the Sacrilege. The Ashimmu is also a good choice. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9183
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:34:00 -
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Ether Wing wrote:We should be making new players feel welcome, even if you're going out blowing them up, instead of lambasting them for "not doing their homework."
I would imagine a prerequisite for being made to feel welcome is a good attitude.
That being, NOT the kind that comes crying on the forums and calls your style of gameplay "griefing". That kind rightly gets free farmed. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:39:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:you seem to be missing the point, 2 week old players dont know any of this stuff on how to avoid pro-wardeccers they too busy trying to leant the basics
That'd be a bad time to be in a player corp full of the same, wouldn't it?
I mean, for goodness sakes, you actually think no one in the Help Channel would have told them this would have happened? That absolutely none of them knew it was a possibility?
You must be kidding me. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9187
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:43:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Lan Wang wrote:you seem to be missing the point, 2 week old players dont know any of this stuff on how to avoid pro-wardeccers they too busy trying to leant the basics So start your own training corp, then.
In before "I can't be assed".
For goodness sakes I spent the time last night to explain to a newbie what a margin scam was, and last week I took some time explaining freighter webbing to some corpies.
Me. You will never find anyone more willing to support just about any and all forms of "griefing", and if I can help out newbies, surely someone whose heart aches as much as yours for their plight can help out. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9191
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:50:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote: They should be expunged
I once got a guy to load up all of his possessions and then left him in a wormhole. Marooned, if you will.
While the ragemails were funny, when I finally decided to let him out a few hours later I found that the wormhole had collapsed, which was the real kicker. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:57:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Marooned, if you will. KKKKHHHHAAAAAAANNNNNNNN!! KKKHHHAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!
It was something like that, yeah. Except I made him sing "A whole new world" from Aladdin before I went to go get him out. Imagine my embarassment that somebody had closed the hole in the meantime. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9229
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:06:00 -
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Lord Nukington wrote: I wasn't expecting this thread to explode like it did
Made sense to me, GD has been pretty well dead for a few days.
Just another tip. Displaying a good attitude is one of the most critical things in EVE. If you start using terms like "griefing" and such, especially on the forums, that is blood in the water.
Within an hour of your posting this thread, you were probably watchlisted by half a dozen people.
So, welcome to EVE, hope it works out for you, etc, etc. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9306
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Posted - 2014.08.29 08:16:00 -
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See, the "If you wardec them they'll just stay in NPC corps forever" argument doesn't exactly show what people think it does.
It does not, for example, show a necessity to declaw wardecs.
It does, however, show that NPC corps have too many positives, and not enough negatives when compared to a player corp. A player that has been in an NPC corp for more than a month should have the tax rate doubled. They should not be permanent homes, they should be temporary to assist in intra corp movement, or temporary vestiges for new players from which to find a player corp.
EVE will never keep new players by pandering to this antisocial solo player bullshit. EVE will keep new players by playing to it's strength, and it's strength is social interaction and participation in the game society at large. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9306
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Posted - 2014.08.29 08:30:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote: However I doubt CCP will ever have the balls to touch NPC Corps.
I didn't think they'd ever have the gall to publicly endorse suicide ganking as a profession and style of gameplay, but I was proved wrong.
And given considerably more hope for the future of this game than I'd had in a while, what's more. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9306
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Posted - 2014.08.29 08:39:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote: Us this because your war targets jump to npc corps?
I'm not sure if you're deliberately not paying attention, or if you just weren't bothering to listen to the conversation. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9307
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Posted - 2014.08.29 08:50:00 -
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Now let's all take out that anger on whomever happens to be in the nearest asteroid belt.
That's the ganker equivalent of a group hug. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9312
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Posted - 2014.08.29 10:48:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Getting rid of them is dumping a massive market segment for absolutely zero gain.
Which is EXACTLY what the "ban ganking and wardecs!" crowd comes on here, every day, to suggest to CCP. Screwing over your established playerbase to chase theoretical casuals.
Hooray for cognitive dissonance! "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9332
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Posted - 2014.08.29 22:43:00 -
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Ah, I see he's switched to the "Good risk management = risk aversion" fallacy again.
No, Lucas, smart gameplay does not equal cowardice. Nor is there any moral equivalency between the two. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9333
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Posted - 2014.08.29 23:51:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:^^ heh I edited the last bit out, I don't really want to jump on the personality disorder diagnosis bandwagon that appears to be doing the rounds at the moment.
It's unseemly.
While it is unseemly, I personally take great delight in dispensing justice via jaundiced juxtapositioning. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9339
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Posted - 2014.08.30 02:12:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:So to clarify, If I refuse to undock in a T3 because a rookie ship has a gun and therefore might eventually be able to kill me (although the chance is so minimal it's impossible to measure), then I'm mitigating that minimal risk, not being risk averse?
First of all, no one actually does that.
Second of all, I refuse to believe that you are unaware of what a huge category error the two are.
Quote: In that case, carebears refusing to undock or avoiding wardecs by dropping or reforming corps are also just mitigating risk. Therefore there is no such thing as risk aversion. I'll remember that next time someone calls someone else risk averse and send them your way so you can explain it.
Deliberately misunderstanding my point does not, in fact, defeat it.
It still stands on it's own, since you can only manage to defeat some wildly hyperbolic caricature of what my point actually is.
So here, let's break this down Barney style.
You claim that gankers using disposable ships is risk aversion.
It is not, it is smart gameplay, and managing and mitigating risk.
Refusing to undock is risk aversion. It is risk aversion because it would rather not play the game at all, than take steps to mitigate and manage risk.
Risk management manages and mitigates risk.
Risk aversion refuses to do those things.
And they all lived happily ever after, The End. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9339
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Posted - 2014.08.30 02:30:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: I claimed that wardeccers refusing to undock for anything but sure successes are risk averse.
And I already told you, when you gave an example of "won't undock against a rookie ship", that no one actually does that. Or if they do, it's no one I've ever traded ammo with. Or heard of, or seen on a killboard. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9339
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Posted - 2014.08.30 02:43:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:lol, there's so much stupid in this part it's unreal. Do you really think people are going to be convinced that by joining a player run corp people are suddenly immune to all forms of ganking, scamming, etc, even though they are in fact open to wardec and awoxes in addition to every other type of negative interaction?
That's how it works in this character's alliance. Just the other day I taught somebody what a Margin scam was, and how to spot one. Hopefully I can get in on this active wardec we have this weekend, although I am pretty sure my prime playtime is when they're asleep, sadly. I'm also rather helpful when asked about tips on how to avoid being suicide ganked. Of course, some people don't listen or never ask, and those people are supposed to die, that's how it works.
Wardecs are not a "negative" interaction, by the way. Not if your corp isn't awful, and run by a bunch of morons. PvP is fun, that's pretty much the entire point of this game to begin with.
Awoxing is a minimal issue at best, nevermind also not a "negative" interaction. It's a learning experience. Of course once again that requires your corp to be awful and run by a bunch of morons.
It is not hard to not be terribad at EVE Online. It is not asking too much for someone to put some effort into their own self defense. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9339
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Posted - 2014.08.30 02:45:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:No, they don;t, that was rightly an exaggeration, but that doesn't change the fact that most wardeccers will not undock without absolute certainty of victory.
Yeah, it actually completely refutes that "fact", since your only actual example was something you made up on the spot.
You're just spouting off carebear talking points at this point, and you aren't at all interested in the realities of the game.
"Gankers are evil, wardecs make people quit, PvP shouldn't happen in highsec because new players" and all those other lies. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9341
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Posted - 2014.08.30 03:03:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: If you want to think that wardecers are not risk averse and take even odd, even though it's commonly known that is not the case
I didn't say they take even odds. No one who isn't an idiot does that on purpose.
I did say that your claims that they only undock with 99% certainty are nonsense. And they are. You're just trying to apply the negative label of "risk averse" (one that rightly belongs to the people you are advocating for) to justify your continued campaign to have PvP nerfed in highsec, you've been doing this for a while now, across several boards on this site.
And you aren't doing anything original, either. This same nonsense has been repeated by so many carebear advocates before you. It was bullshit then, and it's bullshit now. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.08.30 04:19:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:but I don';t see the problem with people waning to play the game in whatever way they want.
If the way they want to play the game runs contrary to the sandbox, then I see a problem with it.
Such as "I should be safe even if I put zero effort into defending myself", yeah, I have a huge problem with those people. Because they are setting their willingness to play the game being based entirely on the elimination of several other playstyles, and that is just despicable.
Basically, people who try and use their subscription to hold other people's gameplay hostage, those are the people I have a problem with.
Figure it out yet? Or are you still going to pound the tired old drum about theoretical newbies with bad attitudes being told where they can go stick their attitude?
Speaking of which, I would love to know the genesis of your recent carebear advocacy. I bet it's something just heartbreaking. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9355
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Posted - 2014.08.30 10:14:00 -
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Oh, to everyone here.
There is no "real PvP" and "fake PvP". Just PvP.
And unless you somehow live off the ammo from NPC drops and make your own ships from NPC bought plans and minerals refined from loot drops, therefore being totally self reliant, the entire game is PvP in some way or another.
There is the game. That's it. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9355
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Posted - 2014.08.30 10:53:00 -
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Note to self, investigate viability of "space hobo" playstyle. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9356
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Posted - 2014.08.30 11:40:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Fake pvp is ...
... a term you use to attempt to apply a negative label to behavior you want to be illegitimate.
But it's not illegitimate, no matter how much you lot try to point fingers and shame. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9356
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Posted - 2014.08.30 11:43:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:I never said that it's the fault of wardeccers that defenseless people exist, but it is their fault that the majority of their targets are defenseless
No, that's not their fault either.
It's CCP's fault, because of the way the wardec pricing scheme works right now. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9359
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:33:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote: But it wasnt a race in the first place...
In a PvP game, it always is, whether you choose to prepare for it correctly or not. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:37:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:And that is your perception, my perception of your perception is fake pvp
The devs have outright told you that your perception is wrong, and that EVE is a PvP game.
You don't get to call a draw, knock over the checkerboard and call it even. You don't get to claim "difference of opinion", because it's not an opinion.
Ours is a statement of fact, yours is a self inflicted delusion.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:40:00 -
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And given CCP Falcon's recent and repeated statements(that he has told us are shared by most of CCP itself), it just really shows the depths of delusion that carebears can sink to.
In this context, "God" has literally come down from on high to tell you that you are not just wrong, but as wrong as it's possible to be while still physically existing.
And yet, like Satan, you persist, despite the Ultimate and Only Authority telling you in no uncertain terms that you are wrong. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9364
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:45:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote: This is not just a pvp game
Barring some pretty ridiculous and exceedingly contrived circumstances, yes, it is.
And CCP says so.
Quote: you just assume that because you play eve you have to pvp and you have to be social and you have to do this, they dont have to do anything if they want industrial/trading/single player game then whats the issue
No, they don't "have" to defend themselves.
But they should not be surprised if they die in that case, since EVE is a PvP game after all. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9364
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:48:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:If this is just a pvp game then why is there mining, trading, haulling, missions etc etc all the things where people who dont want to interact with others dont have to
Those things are all PvP. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9368
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Posted - 2014.08.30 14:10:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:tell me what could a 2 week old player possibly do to 3+ year old player to warrant being killed or wardecced?
Well, mouthed off, for starters.
Doesn't really change the fact that I don't need a reason to do anything in a sandbox game. If they're in a player corp, they're fair game.
Unless you're suggesting that players below a certain age be immune to being aggressed in highsec? Because, an awoxer and thus someone who rolls up alts frequently, I'd be all for that. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.08.30 14:16:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote: exactly so whats the issue with them jumping to npc corps to get away from your game, there is plenty of dedicated combat zones in eve, wardeccing rookies in highsec is just a lame excuse to get cheap kills
And all of the above is, once again, you attempting to apply a negative label to try and de-legitimize an action you don't like.
If you're going to cry to me about how you think their desire to avoid combat should be respected, you probably shouldn't disrespect someone else's desire for combat in the next breath.
Because that makes you look like a complete hypocrite. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.08.30 14:17:00 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:To and At have always fascinated me as well. If I am throwing free stuff to someone it is a gift. If I throw too hard I am then throwing it at them. At what velocity does my gift become assault? The point where it does physical harm, emotional harm, or terminal harm? I must think more upon this.
I suggest testing this theory by gift wrapping cinder blocks.
Or live snakes. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.08.30 14:22:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote: exactly "my perception" and my perception of this is "fake pvp", griefing, bullying, epeen, whatever, there is plenty of places to get fights however you choose to show your epeen by wardeccing rookie players in highsec
It's not "your perception".
It's just you being wrong, as you've been told repeatedly by the devs.
You don't get to keep talking about that point of view as though it's legitimate, because you've already been told by the only authority that matters that you're wrong. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9373
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Posted - 2014.08.30 14:36:00 -
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Mad, Solecist?
No, not really. More confused as to how this line of thinking can still continue.
As for you, Lan Wang, you'd be surprised how much fun highsec PvP is. Now that I've finished up my wormhole tenure (and confirmed that I S.u.c.k at wormholes, not enough budgeted time thanks to work), I have lived in every single part of space. Sov null, NPC null, lowsec, highsec, wormholes.
And right now, for the amount of playtime I have available, and the resources at my command, highsec PvP is more bounce to the ounce, and I find it quite enjoyable.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.08.30 23:00:00 -
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Kurosaki Rukia wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Have fun ripping your new players off and watchign them get killed thanks to your terrible advice and even worse attitude. Yes, because telling them the most effective way to avoid all wardecs permanently is terrible advice! From an NPC corp the only thing you need to worry about is ganekrs and rats, both of which can be tanked. If someone really really wants to gank you, there is no tanking it. They just need to scan you and bring enough to do the job.
That's true of everything, however. Someone who dedicates themselves to killing specifically you and puts enough resources, effort and people to do it, will probably succeed.
Not only is that not a problem, since against a larger number of players who do catch you unawares, it would exhibit a huge game imbalance if you did in fact survive, but you should also ask yourself precisely why such a large number of people are targeting specifically you.
Avoidance and preventative measures are the key to not being randomly ganked, or ganked for profit however.
These include tank, scouting, webs, and not carrying too much in your cargo hold. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.08.31 23:17:00 -
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Except for the part, Lucas, where Falcon came down and said that that kind of scaremongering bullshit doesn't fly.
"EVE needs new players right now!" is clearly not a genuine concern.
And as for shutting down extraneous offices previously dedicated to wasteful side projects. So what? DUST is dead, WoD is dead, they were both bad ideas plagued with bad ideas, bogged down with bad ideas.
It is not a bad thing to trim the fat, nor does it reflect on the health of the company in general. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.08.31 23:38:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Sure, of course he will say that say that. Financial statements, office shutdowns and mass layoffs though are showing differently though.
What? The only "losses" they have posted were for research and development for things that are now justifiably scrapped.
Quote:The layoffs haven't only been in the "extraneous offices". Also DUST isn't dead, and WoD is just being replaced with Legion and Valkyrie. So now they have considerably less staff and more projects.
Yeah, DUST is dead. Whether the fools on that forum realize it or not, their time is numbered.
Valkyrie's development is really a rather different beast from WoD, as well. They're not trying to force their own 3D engine through five different rounds of reworks. And Legion is being made with currently existing assets anyway, from all accounts.
There is no gigantic net loss to eat from trying to invent the wheel over again, like with WoD. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.09.01 09:28:00 -
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Well, I'd point out that Valkyrie is already more or less done, and if Facebook doesn't manage to kill the Occulus Rift then Valkyrie, as it's flagship launch, is likely to get a lot of attention.
And by all accounts it's actually pretty cool.
Nevermind that Valkyrie's engine is done, not in the production phase, not going through endless reworks, done. Something that WoD had never managed. Pity, too, because if they had actually managed to make a "EVE Online; Vampire Style", it would have been an interesting thing to play. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.09.02 03:44:00 -
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Well, for starters, to fix the dec dodging exploit that you make such good use of, dropping corp during a wardec should generate a killright on you. This would accompany a price rework for wardecs.
Secondly, NPC corp taxes should be doubled for anyone who is in one for more than 30 days total. They should be for new players to find their feet, or a temporary home in between being in a real corp.
In addition to this, mission agents should run out of missions for a day, after you've done a few. They should not be infinite from just one person in one place, that makes zero realistic sense and is immersion breaking. That way, people are forced to move around between areas, and cultivate many missions agents in order to be able to do it all day. To compensate for this, faction missions would basically be removed, of course, so no one burns down bridges without meaning to.
Also, CONCORD should be temporarily tankable. They should deal a certain amount of DPS that ramps up every few seconds, and they should not jam their target. Their response time would also be random, between -25% and +25% from what it is now.
And lastly, pirate NPCs should now gatecamp gates in 0.5 and 0.6 space. Nothing too extreme of course, less than 150 dps. I call it, "mid sec".
Because PvP is not a thing that should only happen in lowsec or nullsec. According to CCP themselves, EVE is a PvP game first, last, and always, and that should be properly reflected in highsec. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.09.02 03:51:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: Except that some of us like living in highsec and not losing the protection of CONCORD.
Nothing takes CONCORD away, just makes it more realistic, less infallible magic space police.
And, as I can see from your forum posting, you are all for realism.
Quote: Why on earth would you design the game to force me into something I don't want to do?
That's rich, coming from the guy who literally just said that if you want PvP, you should be forced to go to low or null.
But then, like all carebears, you are a hypocrite.
Quote: Thankfully I think there is 0 chance of CCP doing anything like this.
Heh, more than you'd think.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.09.02 03:57:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: just not with forcing people to operate without CONCORD protection.
Good thing I didn't say that, then.
Quote: I just literally see no benefit to highsec corps - as the OP points out they get wardecced into hopeless wars, and as can be seen from youtube etc., lots of awoxers love to join these corps just to kill people and steal things.
This is because NPC corps do not have the appropriate amount of drawbacks. It should be punitive to live in one, in exchange for the increased safety by being immune to wars. Since your risk is lowered, your reward should be commensurately lowered. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.09.02 11:23:00 -
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Good Posting wrote:Npc corps blah blah blah. CCP kicks players from npc corps -> one man corps blah blah blah. You guys never stop whining.
Your name has been ironic for a while. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.09.02 21:53:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:well this brick wall is still standing. Everyone's head ok? pain killers anyone? water? . . . doctor?
Morphine please, for unrelated reasons. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.09.02 23:26:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:well this brick wall is still standing. Everyone's head ok? pain killers anyone? water? . . . doctor? Morphine please, for unrelated reasons. I was on an intravenous morphine pump once, it would have been great if I hadn't just come out of general anaesthesia post having an orthopaedic implant screwed into my tibia. They gave me Entonox (Gas and Air) too, because the Morphine was taking it's time to kick in. 20 minutes later you could have peeled me off the ceiling with a spatula
Mine was having the left side of the back of my head peeled off and put back on. Gotta love skin grafts. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.09.02 23:52:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: I can't speak for others, but at least for me PvP is an important part of highsec.
That's observably a lie, considering you have been campaigning to have more than half of the PvP that exists in highsec functionally removed.
Quote: My anti highsec PvP strategies all rely on being able to tank the DPS long enough for my allies at CONCORD to come and save me.
Then you're a fool. Prevention and evasion are the key. Not saying that tank is not important, it's a deterrent, but those other two are more important.
I love your next paragraph by the way, although I shall not quote it, but paraphrase.
"PvP in highsec is fine, anything that enables PvP = bad." "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Posted - 2014.09.03 00:25:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: I'm not sure what campaign you are talking about.
There you go. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Posted - 2014.09.03 01:10:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: In my mind they are pretty risky because of (1) wardeccs (2) awoxing and (3) thefts of corporate assets
2 and 3 are incredibly easy to deal with, and 1 should be a reality for everyone's life in New Eden. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.09.03 03:08:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:That's a shame, I was looking forward to melting you repeatedly. Well, I'm glad that the current wardecc mechanics (which I support) make it possible for me to avoid these wars by disbanding and reforming my 1-man corp.
Hence why his next move is likely going to be paying some suicide ganker groups to follow you around instead. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.09.03 03:21:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
Whatever...I enjoy the game and intend to keep playing.
You don't enjoy it though, and as long as you limit yourself to the small portions of crumbs you do enjoy, someone will always be there to walk all over you and suck that enjoyment out. But please, do keep showing CCP why your method of dodging wardecs in the game cannot be allowed to continue in EVE online.
Yeah, they need to work on defeating that exploit, or at least making it the less attractive option. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.09.03 03:23:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: Well any changes to that would just mean NPC Corp ftw.
Hence why, in my suggestion, NPC corp taxes would be doubled for anyone who has been in one for more than 30 days. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.09.03 04:13:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: 2. I am quite familiar with the game and good at it, and don't really care what you think
Which is exactly why you didn't know how gate guns and facpo work, right?
You're about as familiar with this game as my 3 year old is with particle physics. Not only does she know absolutely nothing about it, it is totally beyond her ability to comprehend.
And you have demonstrated that repeatedly.
And I just realized who you are. You are Divine Entervention's new alt. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.09.03 11:50:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Tippia wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:The other poster mentioned losing my ship. That's entirely on him. I'm talking about how there is plenty of PvP in your mission. He went on to mention one version. That just leaves umpteen bazillion more. One of my more amusing ways to PVP someone in a mission doesn't even involve flagging at all. In fact, if you shoot me, CONCORD will roll in and remove you. (HINT: it's not ninja salvaging).
Oh, do tell. Or at the very least, send it to me in a PM. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.09.03 12:26:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Well, I have a few ways to do it:
I'll either jump in the mission and start popping triggers, jump in, pop, and take the mission object, Or just jump in and start killing rats faster than the missioner can.
There are LOTS of mission runners who haven't learned the joys of blitzing yet, and they get REAL upset when you bounce in, "steal" every kill but the frigs, loot, salvage, and bop away.
Killing the mission object and legally taking the mish loot is fun too. That generates tons of frantic evemails, and "OMG sum dude just stole muh (object) for (mission) how I reset it??" pleas in help chat.
one of my corpies found himself a rattlesnake that wouldn't agrees, kept docking up and blowing raspberry's from the station, so he poped all the triggers an orbited around the warp in for 10 minuets untill the entire pocket was ontop of it. he saw the dude retun to the station in his pod
Going to have to try this tonight after I've had some sleep. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.09.11 09:37:00 -
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Revival1984 Revivis wrote:I think the price for wardecs should increase to 50million isk per corporation in that alliance.
Don't necro threads.
And your price hike would be fine, as soon as it is not possible to jump corp with zero consequences. My personal suggestion has been for some time to generate killrights for anyone who leaves corp during a war. Although I have also recently gotten behind locking them out of joining any other player corp for a week after leaving. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.09.12 11:46:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:The way I see it, wardecs are pretty pointless right now, nothing more than a tool to switch off concord.
That's what they are for.
What else would they do? They exist as a mechanism to facilitate combat in highsec specifically without the interference of the Infallible Magic Space Police. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.09.12 11:51:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:The way I see it, wardecs are pretty pointless right now, nothing more than a tool to switch off concord. That's what they are for. What else would they do? They exist as a mechanism to facilitate combat in highsec specifically without the interference of the Infallible Magic Space Old Testament God. FTFY CONCORD are not police
If they've got flashing red and blue lights, they're cops. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.09.12 12:20:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If they've got flashing red and blue lights, they're cops.
I was arrested by a Coast Guard landrover yesterday... Also, I havent seen this on any CONCORD that waxed me before? Maybe its a graphics setting thing
Comet. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Posted - 2014.09.12 21:19:00 -
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Carl Pator wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:The way I see it, wardecs are pretty pointless right now, nothing more than a tool to switch off concord. That's what they are for. What else would they do? They exist as a mechanism to facilitate combat in highsec specifically without the interference of the Infallible Magic Space Police. Why do you feel such a mechanic is necessary?
Ask CCP, not me.
If you ask me, it's because PvP is supposed to happen in highsec, since this is first last and always a PvP game. And not with the enormous "IF" that suicide ganking has become. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.09.13 00:40:00 -
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Spookyjay wrote:Simply. yes war decs are a greifing tool. there are two very simple ways to balance them. 1. a war must require both parties make an aggressive action within the period of 24 hours after a war is declared. (IE: if you shoot some one first) this way if a party is just ganking another the war dec ends and is not re-declarable for at least 7 days). 2. make docking/jumping in empire with war decs take much longer after aggression. Prevent all these dam war dec corps from sitting at docking range and docking up if you dare to bring the fight to them in more than they can handle. this is my preferred option as it targets the greifing corps directly hitting the mechanic they use to stay relatively risk free without harming genuine war between two corps or alliances
As soon as it's free and/or can't be dodged, we can talk about those things.
But you certainly don't get to add more safety to something that is functionally 100% voluntary already. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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